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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Feb 28, 2017 9:45:51 GMT -5
I think that, that's probably the best way to go Mat
I'm involved in a few leagues where we do bidding via fantrax however the bids are completely hidden. For example.. if it's Monday and I put in a bid for Yoan Moncada for $400K and no one else places a bid within 48 hours, I'm awarded the player (no one is notified I place a bid). however if another team bids $500K then they are awarded the player.. I'm a huge proponent of having the bidding system ran this way. For one, it encourages teams to do their own player research (which benefits the league overall).. and 2 people bid what they think the player is worth overall.. if I find a stud and think someone else is gonna bid, I'm going to end up bidding more than $400K. Or $50k for minors.
We could still keep the live auctions for July 2, Off-season, etc.. but IMO this is the best way to do it and is overall the most fair.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 9:56:24 GMT -5
AAS - Average Annual Salary? Can we put in a provision that its Total Salary that is sorted out after the winning bid. IE: $2M could be broken up a few different ways, but its up to the owner to distinguish immediately after winning the bid. Can Fantrax do that?
For minors bidding, I agree with Jarrod. I notice a lot of non-bidding until others research and post.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:02:48 GMT -5
I'm all for transitioning as much as we can to Fantrax since keeping up with rosters on the forums and on Fantrax is a lot more time consuming. While I definitely think we can transition managing rosters mostly to Fantrax (ONLY IF people keep up with their transaction threads on the forums and post everything in DETAIL, including salary information, waived players, promotions, signings, etc.). However, I'm not sure if we'll be able to FULLY transition over to Fantrax for all of free agency signings AND waiver claims. Here are my thoughts:
As Mat said, it does not allow years to be counted when determining the overall salary for a player. As a result, people would still need to post on proboards the # of years they're bidding on a player. Plus, even if they did post the # of years on proboards, another team who bid less $/year, but for more years would lose the bid to a person who bid more $/year for fewer years (and less total contract value) according to Fantrax... I hope that makes sense (it's confusing). Because of this, I think it would just create more issues by trying to move MLB free agency over to Fantrax. HOWEVER, I do think we could move the minors free agency over. The reason for this is because minors signings are based on 1 time cap hits (just a signing bonus) and years have no impact on the signings of minor league free agents. As a result, teams could just bid whatever they want the signing bonus to be and it hit their cap immediately in Fantrax. Also, as Jarrod says, there is a setting in Fantrax to hide any bids, and/or the current winning bid on a player. I 100% agree that hidden bids (especially for minor league players) is WAY, WAY better than what we have now. It's pretty frustrating to find some sleeper prospect you like, bid on him, and then have 4 teams immediately bid higher on him (especially when most of the teams bidding on the player you started the bid for haven't ever heard of the guy). With hidden bidding done directly through Fantrax for minors players, this would eliminate this problem AND make it a lot easier... As for the time table issues in Fantrax, I think we could just process Free agency on 3 different days per week (maybe Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday??). I know it won't allow 48 hours after each bid is made, but with hidden bidding, it shouldn't matter. If a team wasn't going to bid on a minors player until he saw another team bid on him, he likely wasn't ever going to sign that player (and he would have had plenty of an opportunity to do so).
So to summarize, I do think we could move minors free agency to Fantrax (and should move it there). I know this was a wall of text, but let me know if it makes any sense...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:04:42 GMT -5
Also, I like what Jarrod said about keeping July 2 signings on Proboards so that teams can live bid them. That way, teams aren't screwed if they aren't able to check Fantrax and bid on the players before free agency processes on the pre-set days (e.g. Monday, Wednesday and Saturday). We could also keep live bidding for MLB FA's since those types of bids should be publicly made and teams should have a chance to outbid other teams
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2017 12:06:44 GMT -5
AAS - Average Annual Salary? Can we put in a provision that its Total Salary that is sorted out after the winning bid. IE: $2M could be broken up a few different ways, but its up to the owner to distinguish immediately after winning the bid. Can Fantrax do that? For minors bidding, I agree with Jarrod. I notice a lot of non-bidding until others research and post. This is an interesting idea... if we did this, we could potentially move MLB free agency to Fantrax too... teams could just bid a lump sump and then decide how many years after (max of 6 years of course and with even AAS distribution). However, I still think MLB free agency should be live bids where other teams can see which players are being bid on, and how much the current winning bid is. I don't like the idea of hidden bids for MLB FA's, especially since most MLB free agency happens in the off-season when owners aren't able to check in and research free agents multiple times per week. |
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Feb 28, 2017 12:15:01 GMT -5
I'm all for transitioning as much as we can to Fantrax since keeping up with rosters on the forums and on Fantrax is a lot more time consuming. While I definitely think we can transition managing rosters mostly to Fantrax (ONLY IF people keep up with their transaction threads on the forums and post everything in DETAIL, including salary information, waived players, promotions, signings, etc.). However, I'm not sure if we'll be able to FULLY transition over to Fantrax for all of free agency signings AND waiver claims. Here are my thoughts: As Mat said, it does not allow years to be counted when determining the overall salary for a player. As a result, people would still need to post on proboards the # of years they're bidding on a player. Plus, even if they did post the # of years on proboards, another team who bid less $/year, but for more years would lose the bid to a person who bid more $/year for fewer years (and less total contract value) according to Fantrax... I hope that makes sense (it's confusing). Because of this, I think it would just create more issues by trying to move MLB free agency over to Fantrax. HOWEVER, I do think we could move the minors free agency over. The reason for this is because minors signings are based on 1 time cap hits (just a signing bonus) and years have no impact on the signings of minor league free agents. As a result, teams could just bid whatever they want the signing bonus to be and it hit their cap immediately in Fantrax. Also, as Jarrod says, there is a setting in Fantrax to hide any bids, and/or the current winning bid on a player. I 100% agree that hidden bids (especially for minor league players) is WAY, WAY better than what we have now. It's pretty frustrating to find some sleeper prospect you like, bid on him, and then have 4 teams immediately bid higher on him (especially when most of the teams bidding on the player you started the bid for haven't ever heard of the guy). With hidden bidding done directly through Fantrax for minors players, this would eliminate this problem AND make it a lot easier... As for the time table issues in Fantrax, I think we could just process Free agency on 3 different days per week (maybe Monday, Wednesday, and Saturday??). I know it won't allow 48 hours after each bid is made, but with hidden bidding, it shouldn't matter. If a team wasn't going to bid on a minors player until he saw another team bid on him, he likely wasn't ever going to sign that player (and he would have had plenty of an opportunity to do so). So to summarize, I do think we could move minors free agency to Fantrax (and should move it there). I know this was a wall of text, but let me know if it makes any sense... Pretty much agree with everything said here. I don't mind if MLB Free agency is on proboards or whatever, but minors needs to be adjusted in my opinion. |
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Post by PhilliesGM (Jacob) on Feb 28, 2017 13:47:43 GMT -5
I agree that free agency minor bids should be hidden. I made a pretty big stink about people leeching off of other people's hard earned research last season to the point of baiting people to bid by posting scrubs knowing that someone will assume I did my research. 100% in favor of keeping it hidden during the season.
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Feb 28, 2017 18:04:01 GMT -5
I agree that free agency minor bids should be hidden. I made a pretty big stink about people leeching off of other people's hard earned research last season to the point of baiting people to bid by posting scrubs knowing that someone will assume I did my research. 100% in favor of keeping it hidden during the season.  |
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Mar 2, 2017 8:39:47 GMT -5
Any chance we can take a vote on implementing some of these changes?
The biggest change I'm pulling for is the hidden MiLB bids during the season.. We can keep them live for J2 (I think that makes more sense) and off-season.. I don't see why we wouldn't go this route as it benefits the teams that put in the work and takes away from the teams that just want to piggy back off others..
I like the idea of moving majors FA (in-season bidding) to fantrax as well.. Although, as Ryan said.. the off-season free agency should probably stay on proboards as well. To give everyone a fair chance at free agents in the off-season..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 10:54:40 GMT -5
Any chance we can take a vote on implementing some of these changes? The biggest change I'm pulling for is the hidden MiLB bids during the season.. We can keep them live for J2 (I think that makes more sense) and off-season.. I don't see why we wouldn't go this route as it benefits the teams that put in the work and takes away from the teams that just want to piggy back off others.. I like the idea of moving majors FA (in-season bidding) to fantrax as well.. Although, as Ryan said.. the off-season free agency should probably stay on proboards as well. To give everyone a fair chance at free agents in the off-season.. I actually sent Mat a message about this several days ago as I think I found a problem with moving any bidding (Even minors bidding) over to Fantrax... As far as I can tell, you can only do bidding on Fantrax by using FAAB funds. If you use FAAB funds, you must add a set amount for each team. Since teams won't have the same amount (different salary cap numbers for each team), I can't think of a way to easily set this up. Does that make sense? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 10:56:57 GMT -5
I guess we could give everyone $100,000,000 in FAAB funds each year, but just make a rule that teams cannot make bids with those funds that would exceed their actual cap numbers. For example, if I have used $95 million of my 2017 cap space and have $5 million cap space remaining, I cannot make a bid for a minors player of more than $5 million (even if my Fantrax FAAB funds said I had more than that). It would kind of be a pain to check on this, but we could theoretically do this (unless I'm missing something). If we do, we'd need to set up something in the constitution that clearly states bidding more than your salary cap allows would be illegal and would make the bid not count. Also, the team violating the rule would need to be fined pretty severely to prevent teams from doing it. Thoughts?
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Mar 2, 2017 11:09:28 GMT -5
Any chance we can take a vote on implementing some of these changes? The biggest change I'm pulling for is the hidden MiLB bids during the season.. We can keep them live for J2 (I think that makes more sense) and off-season.. I don't see why we wouldn't go this route as it benefits the teams that put in the work and takes away from the teams that just want to piggy back off others.. I like the idea of moving majors FA (in-season bidding) to fantrax as well.. Although, as Ryan said.. the off-season free agency should probably stay on proboards as well. To give everyone a fair chance at free agents in the off-season..
. If you use FAAB funds, you must add a set amount for each team. Since teams won't have the same amount (different salary cap numbers for each team), I can't think of a way to easily set this up. Does that make sense? That's interesting.. that definitely puts a kink in the plans.. Kind of odd since we already have salaries inputted into the system that fantrax wouldn't just allow the extra cap to be used for Free Agents.. I assumed that was a pretty standard feature. I don't think it's necessary to go through all that trouble if that's what we will have to do, do get the minors bids to be hidden.. If we have to set up FAAB's and all of that it's not worth it. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 11:13:41 GMT -5
I just sent Fantrax a message about this. I'll update y'all when they get back to me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 17:16:53 GMT -5
Fantrax keeps track of bids. They can keep it hidden to where no one else can see it
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Mar 2, 2017 17:52:27 GMT -5
Yes what Ryan said.. all the bidding is done through fantrax. CBS has the same system for FAAB.. Teams put in bids for guys they want throughout the week and then CBS adds the player to the highest bidding teams roster.. completely hands off for everyone.
And I get where your comin' from Mat.. but again I think the teams that put in the work to search for sleepers, do the research, etc.. deserve the player more so than a team that doesn't follow minors at all, but knows the team posting has a good knowledge of minors.. so guess what.. they jump on and bid, quite a bit of the time.. I saw this quite often in the minor free agency period when free agency first opened..
It'd be like the Astro's going to Venezuela and finding a guy they think could be a star, then sending a league wide memo about the player.. even though they invested the time and the energy in scouting for that player..
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