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Post by TigersGM (Stuart) on May 31, 2017 22:28:20 GMT -5
Yeah i could see fisher in there too...he's signed through 2019 and if he finishes in top 5 of cy young in 19 then an additional year vests in 2020 at 22 mil
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Post by TigersGM (Stuart) on May 31, 2017 22:29:13 GMT -5
But i would expect tigers to take care of a good portion of the salary if they got a good prospect haul out of it
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2017 22:37:09 GMT -5
Yeah, I totally agree. I'm interested to see what the Tigers do at the deadline. Personally, I'd be aggressively shopping guys like Cabrera, Verlander and especially JD Martinez since he's a FA after this season. It'd be foolish not to do so
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Post by TigersGM (Stuart) on May 31, 2017 22:44:56 GMT -5
Yes and kinsler too...its time to blow it up...although I would be surprised to see them being able to deal cabrera with that contract...but if anybody would go for it Boston would be my guess with the dombrowski tie and them having such an issue with replacing ortiz's power...But gotta move JD...he will net the biggest haul
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 9:20:58 GMT -5
This hurts as a Rangers fan. I still think Quintana is the guy y'all end up with. Just my opinion  Looking forward to a great matchup this weekend! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 9:31:49 GMT -5
Should be a fun series! Can't wait for the Astros to destroy the Rangers' bullpen And yeah, I actually do kind of think we end up with Quintana. In fact, that could be a good way to go, especially if the price has dropped some due to Quintana's struggles this year |
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Post by GiantsGM (Adam) on Jun 1, 2017 21:20:59 GMT -5
What about Cueto? I bet the Giants become sellers here in a month or so... And we need OF help!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2017 21:48:51 GMT -5
I hadn't even though about cueto.. He can opt out after this year right? I think the Astros will find a pitcher who is controllable for a few seasons
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Jun 2, 2017 7:22:53 GMT -5
For a team that has never won the world series, I'll pay anything to have a better shot, including Tucker and Martes (I believe it would take both). I would love for them to win the World Series but Respectfully disagree.. Kyle Tucker has a chance to be an all-star.. I realize this team needs another SP right now, but they are still an incredibly young team.. Bregman, Correa, Altuve, Springer, Gurriel, Reddick, McCullers are all under contract until at least 2020.. You possibly add a guy like Tucker to that lineup and holy mother.... Kyle Tucker is progressing faster than a lot of people thought.. Double - A at 20 years old, and it's not completely crazy to think he could help this team in 2018. I think the Astros have enough assets to get a solid SP without giving away Tucker.. Derek Fisher, Franklin Perez (who has increased his prospect stock like crazy), Francis Martes (his stock has taken a bit of a hit), Forrest Whitley.. Of course any team they approach is going to want Tucker.. I'm just not a proponent of selling out and going for it all when you have a team this young.. I'd totally be in favor of it, if the majority of this team was close to hitting FA.. but they are in a great situation right now.. I would personally be in favor of waiting until the off-season and signing a guy like Yu Darvish or Jake Arrieta (huge contracts) to pair with what we have now.. Anyway you look at it, it's a very exciting time to be an Astros fan right now.. there's a bunch of different routes they can take. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 8:57:59 GMT -5
For a team that has never won the world series, I'll pay anything to have a better shot, including Tucker and Martes (I believe it would take both). I would love for them to win the World Series but Respectfully disagree.. Kyle Tucker has a chance to be an all-star.. I realize this team needs another SP right now, but they are still an incredibly young team.. Bregman, Correa, Altuve, Springer, Gurriel, Reddick, McCullers are all under contract until at least 2020.. You possibly add a guy like Tucker to that lineup and holy mother.... Kyle Tucker is progressing faster than a lot of people thought.. Double - A at 20 years old, and it's not completely crazy to think he could help this team in 2018. I think the Astros have enough assets to get a solid SP without giving away Tucker.. Derek Fisher, Franklin Perez (who has increased his prospect stock like crazy), Francis Martes (his stock has taken a bit of a hit), Forrest Whitley.. Of course any team they approach is going to want Tucker.. I'm just not a proponent of selling out and going for it all when you have a team this young.. I'd totally be in favor of it, if the majority of this team was close to hitting FA.. but they are in a great situation right now.. I would personally be in favor of waiting until the off-season and signing a guy like Yu Darvish or Jake Arrieta (huge contracts) to pair with what we have now.. Anyway you look at it, it's a very exciting time to be an Astros fan right now.. there's a bunch of different routes they can take. I totally agree with what you said about not mortgaging our future to compete in next season or 2. I'm a proponent of trading for a cheaper SP (guy like Estrada or Verlander and offering to pay the bulk of his remaining contract) and keeping guys like Kyle Tucker. As for waiting until the off-season to sign a SP, I'm only okay with that if we still go out and trade for some form of SP help before the deadline this season. We HAVE to get another solid SP if we want to feel confident heading into the playoffs. I do not want to go into a 5 or 7 game series with Fiers in the rotation. Also, on that same note, I don't want to lock ourselves into a ridiculous contract for a guy like Darvish when we have so many young stars hitting FA in 2019-2021. If we want to keep our window open longer than that, we're going to need to keep our contract obligations to a minimum in order to lock up some of those guys long term. |
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Jun 2, 2017 9:32:26 GMT -5
I would love for them to win the World Series but Respectfully disagree.. Kyle Tucker has a chance to be an all-star.. I realize this team needs another SP right now, but they are still an incredibly young team.. Bregman, Correa, Altuve, Springer, Gurriel, Reddick, McCullers are all under contract until at least 2020.. You possibly add a guy like Tucker to that lineup and holy mother.... Kyle Tucker is progressing faster than a lot of people thought.. Double - A at 20 years old, and it's not completely crazy to think he could help this team in 2018. I think the Astros have enough assets to get a solid SP without giving away Tucker.. Derek Fisher, Franklin Perez (who has increased his prospect stock like crazy), Francis Martes (his stock has taken a bit of a hit), Forrest Whitley.. Of course any team they approach is going to want Tucker.. I'm just not a proponent of selling out and going for it all when you have a team this young.. I'd totally be in favor of it, if the majority of this team was close to hitting FA.. but they are in a great situation right now.. I would personally be in favor of waiting until the off-season and signing a guy like Yu Darvish or Jake Arrieta (huge contracts) to pair with what we have now.. Anyway you look at it, it's a very exciting time to be an Astros fan right now.. there's a bunch of different routes they can take. I totally agree with what you said about not mortgaging our future to compete in next season or 2. I'm a proponent of trading for a cheaper SP (guy like Estrada or Verlander and offering to pay the bulk of his remaining contract) and keeping guys like Kyle Tucker. As for waiting until the off-season to sign a SP, I'm only okay with that if we still go out and trade for some form of SP help before the deadline this season. We HAVE to get another solid SP if we want to feel confident heading into the playoffs. I do not want to go into a 5 or 7 game series with Fiers in the rotation. Also, on that same note, I don't want to lock ourselves into a ridiculous contract for a guy like Darvish when we have so many young stars hitting FA in 2019-2021. If we want to keep our window open longer than that, we're going to need to keep our contract obligations to a minimum in order to lock up some of those guys long term. Definitely agree there Ryan.. Give me one of the cheaper pitchers like Estrada or Verlander opposed to selling the farm for an Archer/Cole type.. Good point on needing to re-sign all of the stars that will be up in 2019-2021.. that will be a must. In the off-season I'd be fine with signing a Lance Lynn, Hellickson, etc.. just SOMEONE to get rid of Mike Fiers.. PLEASE for the love of god.. But yeah, we need someone now as well.. but again, don't want to give up the farm for them.. I think Lunhow will make the best move for the org.. I just want to see the team have long-term success instead of going all in now.. come up short, lose all of their stars in 3 years and be back to square one. I'd much rather have a pipeline of studs feeding the big league team in preparation that we lose one or two of the key cogs. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2017 10:16:55 GMT -5
Lynn is a great idea... didn't realize he was a FA after this season. Lynn is the type of guy who is super underrated and could be had for a lot cheaper than guys like Darvish (who has way more risk due to age and injury history IMO). And yes - the good news is I trust Luhnow. He whiffed on the Gomez/Fiers trade, but overall, he's been fantastic. I think he may be the 2nd best GM In the game behind Theo Epstein. He's got some tough decisions to make in the coming months, but the good news is he has a TON of options.
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Post by GiantsGM (Adam) on Jun 2, 2017 17:59:29 GMT -5
yeah cueto can opt out of his contract after this season. however, he's also shown willingness to sign long term with a team he was traded to mid season (with the giants). so I think theres an argument to be made he could be convinced to stay, especially with the core of the Astros looking more and more legit every day. only face to face meetings would give us any actual insight on that, so it's all speculation.
I personally fall on the other side of the coin, that if you've got a legitimate shot at a title, you take it. obviously there are limitations to that (you wouldn't trade tucker and martes for estrada), but for the most part, I say pull the trigger.
there's a chance you guys get over excited and spend too much, but I actually think your current standing improves your bargaining leverage with teams. the Astros don't NEED to make a move because they already are a top contender, so the appearance of desperation isn't there.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2017 14:05:05 GMT -5
Pitching on the DL is piling up.
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Jun 12, 2017 14:36:03 GMT -5
Pitching on the DL is piling up. Ryan and I were just talking about that..... It's never been more clear, we have to go out and get another starter. |
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