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Post by CardsGM (Mat) on Dec 3, 2016 10:29:13 GMT -5
With the second chance playoffs now being to the benefit of 8 teams that miss out on the playoffs, the issue of how the bottom four are placed in terms of drafting has come up. With this in mind, would you be in favour of placing the bottom four teams in the Draft Order Generator (http://www.draftordergenerator.com/) to determine the Draft placements for the top 4 draft positions?
The benefits include being less likely to tank, which when combined with the second chance playoffs should truly benefit the league as a whole by making sure the vast majority of the league plays the season out to the very end.
If you have comments or objections to this, please voice them in a reply below before making your vote.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 12:01:59 GMT -5
I don't know if FanTrax could do this, but I saw a great idea on Reddit. Have the bottom four teams enter a consolation bracket. The winner of the bracket receives first pick. I don't know if it is possible with this league but I love this idea.
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Post by CardsGM (Mat) on Dec 3, 2016 12:12:08 GMT -5
I don't know if FanTrax could do this, but I saw a great idea on Reddit. Have the bottom four teams enter a consolation bracket. The winner of the bracket receives first pick. I don't know if it is possible with this league but I love this idea. That's a great point, but in that case it would be to the benefit of the best of the 4, which isn't really what the draft is all about. I think leaving it to chance would at least give the worst team a 25% chance of getting top pick, whereas a playoff format may leave none.....know what I mean? But if that's what people would prefer, we could certainly look at it. They could even be going head to head for the entire playoff timing, not just 1 week. Thoughts? |
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Post by GiantsGM (Adam) on Dec 3, 2016 12:41:20 GMT -5
My only question/comment would be... do we want to weight the chances of the four teams to receive the top draft pick, similar to nba lottery? I agree we definitely do not want teams to tank. However, I can also foresee a scenario where a team just honestly sucks and needs a little face lift with the top overall pick, and for no reason they end up getting pick 4 because RNG.
That would be my only question, as I think this is better than a simple reverse order of the standings
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Post by CardsGM (Mat) on Dec 3, 2016 13:06:05 GMT -5
My only question/comment would be... do we want to weight the chances of the four teams to receive the top draft pick, similar to nba lottery? I agree we definitely do not want teams to tank. However, I can also foresee a scenario where a team just honestly sucks and needs a little face lift with the top overall pick, and for no reason they end up getting pick 4 because RNG. That would be my only question, as I think this is better than a simple reverse order of the standings Are you saying you prefer lottery to the facing off option? |
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Post by GiantsGM (Adam) on Dec 3, 2016 13:29:13 GMT -5
I don't know what you're referencing with "facing off option?" The four team playoff to see who "wins" first overall? No, I'm not saying we have a playoff to see who wins the first pick. I'm just suggesting we should look at the possibility of weighting the top four draft picks to accurately reflect how good/bad the teams are. If a team is 20-150 in last place, but then 2nd, 3rd, and 4th from last are all within 5 games of each other and 40 games better than the last place team, I don't think it's fair to give all four of those teams the same chance of securing the top overall pick
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Post by CardsGM (Mat) on Dec 3, 2016 14:50:47 GMT -5
I don't know what you're referencing with "facing off option?" The four team playoff to see who "wins" first overall? No, I'm not saying we have a playoff to see who wins the first pick. I'm just suggesting we should look at the possibility of weighting the top four draft picks to accurately reflect how good/bad the teams are. If a team is 20-150 in last place, but then 2nd, 3rd, and 4th from last are all within 5 games of each other and 40 games better than the last place team, I don't think it's fair to give all four of those teams the same chance of securing the top overall pick I'm really hoping that rarely happens. If it did, we'd likely have an ownership review - if that owner hasn't left already - and we could add sandwich picks to help a new owner out. Last year as an example, the Nats were lowest at 94 wins with 112, 121, and 130 being next in line. If we can find a site that allows for weighting, we could do it this way: Take 1 less the win% = weight in lottery. Example using last season: Nats: 1 - .326 = 0.674 O's: 1 - .380 = 0.620 A's: 1 - .419 = 0.581 Cubs 1 - .443 = 0.557 Added up, these equal 2.432 and each team has the following % of that: Nats: 27% O's: 26% A's: 24% Cubs: 23% Those would be the weights included if a site supported such an approach. OR We could standardize the weights for each position. The problem with both of those is that they still encourage tanking, which is what we're trying to avoid because it benefits their opponents tremendously in finals weeks of the season. Make sense? |
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Post by CardsGM (Mat) on Dec 3, 2016 15:02:32 GMT -5
OF NOTE: This change would only impact 2018 drafts and onwards, not 2017's draft.
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Post by GiantsGM (Adam) on Dec 3, 2016 15:30:25 GMT -5
No it all makes sense - i was using an extreme to try and highlight a potential problem that i could foresee happening. i think its why the nba weights each loss. if those were the numbers then it doesnt really matter one way or the other, lol
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Post by RaysGM (Paul) on Dec 3, 2016 22:35:29 GMT -5
Maybe I'm being naive here, but with the good owners we seem to have in this league, I don't think anyone would "tank" it at the end to get the first pick in the draft. Reasons: 1) they are playing teams who are trying to make the playoff or better their playoff position, and i would think (or hope) they would try to be competitive - it's always fun to try and cause problems for the playoff teams; and, 2) I wouldn't like the idea of having the worst record during the season, but end up with the 4th draft pick. So, I would rather the first 4 picks being decided by the season record (worst record gets the 1st pick). This is my 1-1/2 cents worth,
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Post by CardsGM (Mat) on Dec 3, 2016 22:56:13 GMT -5
Maybe I'm being naive here, but with the good owners we seem to have in this league, I don't think anyone would "tank" it at the end to get the first pick in the draft. Reasons: 1) they are playing teams who are trying to make the playoff or better their playoff position, and i would think (or hope) they would try to be competitive - it's always fun to try and cause problems for the playoff teams; and, 2) I wouldn't like the idea of having the worst record during the season, but end up with the 4th draft pick. So, I would rather the first 4 picks being decided by the season record (worst record gets the 1st pick). This is my 1-1/2 cents worth, Completely agree Paul, it should be that way. But last season, behind the scenes, it's an issue that was brought up by a half-dozen owners. Now, the owners involved have since left, so hopefully that resolves the issue, but if we can help make things as fair as possibly, I think it may be worthwhile. I definitely see your point though and agree that it would be the ideal way for the league to operate. |
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Post by DodgersGM (Stephen) on Dec 15, 2016 11:19:44 GMT -5
I voted for the random.. Random is good becuase while nobody tanks- it's removes the certainity of that kinda decision making process..
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