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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2017 23:44:25 GMT -5
There is some chatter going on in the chat section regarding a signing that did not happen within the 48 hour window. Regardless of what happens I think we need to revisit the rule. The league that gave birth to this league carried an understanding that there was flexibility within this rule. So the rule was loosely enforced, +/- 7 days were given, warnings were sent via PM, and action was only taken if abuse was suspected. It worked.
In the past few months I've seen a situation where an owner was carrying 10+ players, an obvious example where enforcement was required. A situation where an owner was fined $1M for not signing a player ~4 days after the deadline, a stretch IMO. And now a situation where a commish, ironically who lost the player, retroactively looked at the timeliness of a transaction, where the player had been signed, and invoked the rule due to a ~12 hour lapse, an obvious overreach IMO.
My suggestion for path forward based on a proven method used for 10 years in BCN Pro.
1. GM wins player.
2. If player is not signed within the 48 hours, AND a GM involved in the bidding is still interested, then a PM is sent to winning GM requesting action.
3. If GM still has not signed player or refuses to sign the player within 168 hours or 1 week, the player is awarded to requesting GM, AND the winning GM is penalized $1M or annual contract value, whichever is greater.
4. If GM does not sign the player within 1 month, AND no GM involved in the bidding request action, winning GM is penalized $1M or annual contract value, whichever is greater, and player is returned to FA.
5. For instances of abuse where GM is habitually using the rule to his or her advantage it is subject to review by the commish and could ultimately end in removal from the league.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 0:29:58 GMT -5
Guys, I just went through the recent closed FA bids and well over 50% had related transactions posted after the 48 hour window. Why wasn't action take on Clayton Richard, Brendon Davis, Logan Morrison, Cedric Mullins, Mark Reynolds, Daniel Descaiso, or Geovany Soto?
I think it's too much to ask the commishes to strictly enforce this rule and I don't want to see it enforced only when it benefits one of them as in my case. Let's have some logical conversation, return the dodgers fine, and put in place a set of guidelines, not a hard line rule, that we can consistently enforce.
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Apr 22, 2017 7:24:23 GMT -5
First of all I'm no longer a commish, so let's get that out of the way right now and haven't been so for about 5 months.
I could've also brought up the coincidence where I posted 3 players.. where 12+ hours had passed and "coincidently" you and your brother "coincidently" decided to bid on all 3 of the players I posted, but of course none of the same ones. I will also point out that was within a period of 25 minutes..
I'm not going to say anything else about this because it's not worth my time, but if this league is going to start arbitrarily using rules here and there.. you and Mat need to go through each rule 1 by 1 and let the league know "this rule is 100% enforced, this rule is enforced when we feel like it, this rule is enforced only when someone doesn't complain." It's just not fair to the other team who go out of their way to play by the rules.
So please do what you guys want with Friedl, I don't want the player anymore after this.
If we want to change the rule and that's what the league wants I'm all for it. But I want each team to be required to play by the same exact rules! We are going on 3 years in this league now.
One more thing, since Heath Fillmeyer was given to you last year, when Giants did not sign within 48 hours, id like for him to be returned to Giants. And I also want Dodgers 1m fine overturned for the same rule.
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Post by TwinsGM (Kaj) on Apr 22, 2017 8:23:21 GMT -5
First, I don't think rules that are working should be changed because most people are following the rule. All of the players you stated in your little rant were done properly. When you bid, you must give 48 hours for anyone else to bid. Then you have an additional 48 hours to post the transaction. So all in all 4 days. Here is a breakdown of the players you stated: | Player | Last Bid | Closing of Bids | Needs to be Posted by | Posted | Clayton Richard
| 4/5/2017 13:32
| 4/7/2017 13:32
| 4/9/2017 13:32
| 4/7/2017 20:31
| Brendon Davis
| 4/16/2017 5:46
| 4/18/2017 5:46
| 4/20/2017 5:46
| 4/19/2017 5:13
| Logan Morrison
| 4/3/2017 7:25
| 4/5/2017 7:25
| 4/7/2017 7:25
| 4/6/2017 7:05
| Cedric Mullins
| 4/16/2017 21:21
| 4/18/2017 21:21
| 4/20/2017 21:21
| 4/19/2017 19:40
| Mark Reynolds
| 4/10/2017 19:03
| 4/12/2017 19:03
| 4/14/2017 19:03
| 4/12/2017 8:07
| Daniel Descaiso
| 4/10/2017 19:06
| 4/12/2017 19:06
| 4/14/2017 19:06
| 4/12/2017 8:07
| Geovany Soto
| 4/11/2017 17:18
| 4/13/2017 17:18
| 4/15/2017 17:18
| 4/14/2017 8:38
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All posted prior to the needs to be posted date and time and your classification that 50% are not done in time is a fabrication of the facts as well. I have found most are posted within 48 hours of the bid closing time. Now to the player in question. | Player | Last Bid | Closing of Bids | Needs to be Posted by | Posted | TJ Friedl
| 4/16/2017 21:46
| 4/18/2017 21:46
| 4/20/2017 21:46
| 4/21/2017 10:00
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I believe 48 hours is plenty of time to post a transaction. Most of the time if you are wanting the person, you are hoping the 48 hour window was smaller. I cannot imagine 168 hours or 1 week. |
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Post by PhilliesGM (Jacob) on Apr 22, 2017 8:45:42 GMT -5
Bottom line is we all agreed to the constitution including the signing window. The issue isn't whether it needs to be changed but rather was there an infraction? Simple terms yes there was. Let's move on in accordance with the constitution.
Now Yankees if you wish to change that rule then by all means bring it up with the 3 Commissioners and I am sure there will be a vote.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 8:48:48 GMT -5
I agree 100% that the rules need to be enforced. We're almost 2 years into this league - there is no excuse for not knowing the rules. If you mess up, that's fine - take responsibility for it, take the penalty (not a huge one in this case) and move forward. If the league wants to change the rules,that's fine - however, that doesn't change this situation. We can't just not enforce the rules whenever a team violating the rule complains.
As for changing the rules in the future, that's fine if that's what people want to do. However, like Kaj said, I think 48hrs is plenty of time to sign a player... We even have something in the rules that says if you can't do so in 48 hours, let the commissioners know. In fact, Kenji did that the other day when he was bidding on a few players and had to go out of town.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 8:49:37 GMT -5
Bottom line is we all agreed to the constitution including the signing window. The issue isn't whether it needs to be changed but rather was there an infraction? Simple terms yes there was. Let's move on in accordance with the constitution. Now Yankees if you wish to change that rule then by all means bring it up with the 3 Commissioners and I am sure there will be a vote. Perfectly stated. There was an infraction - let's enforce rules and move forward. If we need to change rules for future, lets discuss it as a league |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 9:53:36 GMT -5
First, I don't think rules that are working should be changed because most people are following the rule. All of the players you stated in your little rant were done properly. When you bid, you must give 48 hours for anyone else to bid. Then you have an additional 48 hours to post the transaction. So all in all 4 days. Here is a breakdown of the players you stated: | Player | Last Bid | Closing of Bids | Needs to be Posted by | Posted | Clayton Richard
| 4/5/2017 13:32
| 4/7/2017 13:32
| 4/9/2017 13:32
| 4/7/2017 20:31
| Brendon Davis
| 4/16/2017 5:46
| 4/18/2017 5:46
| 4/20/2017 5:46
| 4/19/2017 5:13
| Logan Morrison
| 4/3/2017 7:25
| 4/5/2017 7:25
| 4/7/2017 7:25
| 4/6/2017 7:05
| Cedric Mullins
| 4/16/2017 21:21
| 4/18/2017 21:21
| 4/20/2017 21:21
| 4/19/2017 19:40
| Mark Reynolds
| 4/10/2017 19:03
| 4/12/2017 19:03
| 4/14/2017 19:03
| 4/12/2017 8:07
| Daniel Descaiso
| 4/10/2017 19:06
| 4/12/2017 19:06
| 4/14/2017 19:06
| 4/12/2017 8:07
| Geovany Soto
| 4/11/2017 17:18
| 4/13/2017 17:18
| 4/15/2017 17:18
| 4/14/2017 8:38
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All posted prior to the needs to be posted date and time and your classification that 50% are not done in time is a fabrication of the facts as well. I have found most are posted within 48 hours of the bid closing time. Now to the player in question. | Player | Last Bid | Closing of Bids | Needs to be Posted by | Posted | TJ Friedl
| 4/16/2017 21:46
| 4/18/2017 21:46
| 4/20/2017 21:46
| 4/21/2017 10:00
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I believe 48 hours is plenty of time to post a transaction. Most of the time if you are wanting the person, you are hoping the 48 hour window was smaller. I cannot imagine 168 hours or 1 week. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I stand corrected on these guys but I still doubt we are not 100% on this (Sal Ramano, Paul Blackburn, Sandro Fabian). Also my suggestion doesn't change the 48 hour bid window, it changes the aftermath. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 10:01:32 GMT -5
I could've also brought up the coincidence where I posted 3 players.. where 12+ hours had passed and "coincidently" you and your brother "coincidently" decided to bid on all 3 of the players I posted, but of course none of the same ones. I will also point out that was within a period of 25 minutes.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I get it, I bid on your guy and you are mad, I get it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 10:09:35 GMT -5
Now Yankees if you wish to change that rule then by all means bring it up with the 3 Commissioners and I am sure there will be a vote. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yea, that's what I did by creating this thread and outlining an alternate solution... |
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Apr 22, 2017 10:10:12 GMT -5
I could've also brought up the coincidence where I posted 3 players.. where 12+ hours had passed and "coincidently" you and your brother "coincidently" decided to bid on all 3 of the players I posted, but of course none of the same ones. I will also point out that was within a period of 25 minutes.. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ I get it, I bid on your guy and you are mad, I get it. Good glad you get it, the rest of the league does too, and that's why everyone has been outspoken about you trying to be above the rules. I couldn't give two shits if you got TJ Friedl, I just wanted to point this out because I knew this was going to happen and I love it. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 10:20:02 GMT -5
Bottom line is we all agreed to the constitution including the signing window. The issue isn't whether it needs to be changed but rather was there an infraction? Simple terms yes there was. Let's move on in accordance with the constitution. Now Yankees if you wish to change that rule then by all means bring it up with the 3 Commissioners and I am sure there will be a vote. Perfectly stated. There was an infraction - let's enforce rules and move forward. If we need to change rules for future, lets discuss it as a league ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Once CardsGM weighs in I have no problem taking the fine and ROX can have his guy, then we can decide what to do about the other players who have been signed outside the 48 hour window. As for path forward, I have outlined a proposed change that takes the responsibility off the commishes and places it on the GMs. I don't think it's fair to ask the few commishes who already do too much to police this. I just don't see any harm in letting GMs post the transaction in a much more flexible approach. If you disagree please debate... |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 10:24:22 GMT -5
Good glad you get it, the rest of the league does too, and that's why everyone has been outspoken about you trying to be above the rules. I couldn't give two shits if you got TJ Friedl, I just wanted to point this out because I knew this was going to happen and I love it. Take your meds you clown. |
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Post by RockiesGM (Jarrod) on Apr 22, 2017 10:25:53 GMT -5
Good glad you get it, the rest of the league does too, and that's why everyone has been outspoken about you trying to be above the rules. I couldn't give two shits if you got TJ Friedl, I just wanted to point this out because I knew this was going to happen and I love it. Take your meds you clown. Lolololol Did I strike a nerve? U mad bro? Now we gotta resort to name calling. Gotta love it! |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 10:34:53 GMT -5
Good glad you get it, the rest of the league does too, and that's why everyone has been outspoken about you trying to be above the rules. I couldn't give two shits if you got TJ Friedl, I just wanted to point this out because I knew this was going to happen and I love it. This is it, this is my issue. I have two kids, work a full time job that does't allow connectivity, and I have this nut job watching my every move because the worlds out to get him. Who cares if I bid on a player you posted, it happens. Who cares if I made a trade with my brother, the league voted on it, thanks for trying to make us feel like criminals. This is a recipe on how to make fantasy baseball no fun. |
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