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Post by Braves GM (Ray) on Jan 24, 2024 12:23:33 GMT -5
I would like to propose discussion for the possibility a waiver claim doesn’t get completed. Right now, there is no official rule.
Example:
Owner A waives a salaried player. Owner B claims this player.
This blocks other owners from claiming. This relieves owner A of financial responsibility affecting the whole league in terms of competitive salary cap space. It could even open a door for collusion if there isn’t penalty.
Questions:
What happens to owner A if the player isn’t added to Owner B’s team? Does this owner still get the cap forgiveness the constitution says they are entitled to?
What happens to Owner B? Should they get a fine similar to failure to sign a free agent?
What if this waived player carries no salary hit, like a minor leaguer or a 1-minor? Should this carry a penalty similar to failure to sign a free agent as minor league free agents still do?
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Post by Red SoxGM (Brandon) on Jan 24, 2024 13:15:12 GMT -5
Valid point
My opinion:
The player should go back to waivers with a new post and made available to the league with his original contract.
Owner A should be relieved of the contract regardless of whether a new team claims the player or not. If no one claims, Owner B should have the option to add the player to their roster.
Owner B should be on the hook for the full contract amount even if the player is claimed by another team.
For minors of Minors-1, I think a $400k fine would be sufficient.
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Post by AthleticsGM (Mike) on Jan 24, 2024 16:50:29 GMT -5
My two cents. The manager who fails to sign/add the player acquired through waivers is fined and the process starts over. The original team is back on the hook for the waived amount.
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Post by DodgersGM (Stephen) on Jan 26, 2024 10:08:36 GMT -5
I have claimed guys, only to discover I could not claim them within the rules. End off season kind of stuff when owners were clearing rosters.
So you have make clear the difference between abandoning a waiver claim, and trying to claim a guy you can not claim.
If you want to take action- fine the claiming owner $1 million or 30% of the first year of the contract in question- whichever is larger. The team that waived the player should in no way benefit- it is sunk cost.
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Post by Braves GM (Ray) on Jan 27, 2024 11:11:37 GMT -5
I don’t really think the period to claim waivers is unclear. It’s the same as the time frame you can make other adds to your team. When free agents can’t be added, waiver claims cannot be made. I guess we can make a clearer statement in the rules, if needed?
My two cents:
A 6 year 10 million dollar contract should not disappear from the league for a minor penalty. And, I consider any percentage of the first year or only the first year of that contract minor comparatively A player could make a collusion type deal with another owner to claim and not sign to shrug off an albatross type contract.
My suggestion is, if a claim is made, Player A is off the hook. The owner followed rules. A claim was made. The salary should no longer be their responsibility. The fine vs salary is the hard part. If a player is on the hook for 6 yrs of millions of dollars with no player, I’m not sure they need another slap on the wrist. But if the salary is so minor, it’s negligible, that’s no penalty at all. I suggest the owner who failed to add the waived player should be fined the same as failing to sign a free agent, OR, the entirety of the waived contract over its course, depending on which is the larger of the two. In other words, $1,000,000 or the waived salary, whichever is higher.
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Post by PadresGM (Dave) on Jan 27, 2024 12:42:22 GMT -5
I'm in agreement with Ray (Braves) here.
Team A is off the hook is their waived player is claimed
Team B would need to honor the waived contract or pay $1M in fines, whichever is higher. Maybe add some flexibility of the acceleration of repayment of fine. For example, if said player is 6 years at $5M per year, team can pay down the contract at an accelerated rate. Example... year 1 = $15M, year 2 = $10M, year 3 = $5M
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Post by DodgersGM (Stephen) on Jan 27, 2024 13:46:49 GMT -5
Team A can not be off the hook for a contract they waived until the contract is on the books of team B. You can’t let the money vanish, it has to be accounted..
Team A keeps the deal, and team B gets punished. Making some of the money disappear rewards the behavior.
You walk away from $20 million in salary, and get less than $20 million dollar fine- you made money disappear. 💯 no..
The deal goes back to team A, and you hammer team b…
We already make money disappear via contract insurance…..
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Post by Braves GM (Ray) on Jan 27, 2024 14:04:01 GMT -5
Injury insurance requires a very specific procedure of insuring a player at time of trade or signing combined with a 60 day dl placement. Teams can’t really just make the money disappear at will like a collusive waive/fail to claim potentially could. I’m all for hammering the team that failed to add the player. This would prevent teams working together to burn contracts. I’m not sure I agree with making the original team remain responsible but it’s a fair talking point
I don’t think both teams need to end up with a 20million dollar salary by both giving the contact back to the original team and hammering the second
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Post by DodgersGM (Stephen) on Jan 27, 2024 14:13:37 GMT -5
I am all for discussing the size of the hammer. I don’t think it should be a $20 million dollar fine.
At the end of the process, you can not make the sum total less. If we started with a $20 million dollar contract, you have keep the $20 million contract on one side, and additional money in fines on the other side.. Nobody should benefit from a mistake, or an error in judgement. Which is how I approach this kinda situation.
Intentional Collusion should be punished without mercy….
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